{"id":8919,"date":"2025-02-17T17:28:23","date_gmt":"2025-02-17T16:28:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/?page_id=8919"},"modified":"2025-03-28T12:02:14","modified_gmt":"2025-03-28T11:02:14","slug":"programm","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/programm\/","title":{"rendered":"Programm 2025"},"content":{"rendered":"<div  class=\"one withsmallpadding ppb_header \" style=\"text-align:left;padding:40px 0 40px 0;\" >\n<div class=\"standard_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"page_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"inner\">\n<div style=\"width:100%\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div  class=\"ppb_session_filterable one withsmallpadding \" >\n<div class=\"standard_wrapper\">\n<div id=\"17431597341919111159\" class=\"scheduleday_content\">\n<ul class=\"scheduleday_wrapper themeborder one_half \">\n<li class=\"scheduleday_title\" style=\"background:;\">\n<div class=\"scheduleday_title_icon\"><span class=\"ti-calendar\" style=\"color:;\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"scheduleday_title_content\">\n<h4 style=\"color:;\">Tag 1 (26. M\u00e4rz 2025)<\/h4>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8565\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/DSC_3262-2_Drachsel_final-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Ulrike Drachsel\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">9:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;9:10<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Er\u00f6ffnung von ENERGIE.CROSS.MEDIAL 2025<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/ulrike-drachsel\/\">Ulrike Drachsel<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Forum f\u00fcr Zukunftsenergien e.V.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8569\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/innosozial_web_kk_person-platzhalter_1500x1000-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Prof. Dr.-Ing. Martin Braun\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">9:10&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;9:35<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Energiewende &#8211; Auf dem Weg zu bezahlbarer Energiesouver\u00e4nit\u00e4t und Sicherheit<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/prof-dr-ing-martin-braun\/\">Prof. Dr.-Ing. Martin Braun<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Institutsleiter, Fraunhofer IEE<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8578\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/innosozial_web_kk_person-platzhalter_1500x1000-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Dr. Frank Meyer\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">09:35&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;09:55<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Wie Bosch Klimaschutz und Marktchancen verbindet<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-frank-meyer\/\">Dr. Frank Meyer<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrer, Robert Bosch GmbH<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8571\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/innosozial_web_kk_person-platzhalter_1500x1000-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Nikolaus Valerius\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">09:55&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;10:15<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Strom und Energie: Wie werden wir dauerhaft wettbewerbsf\u00e4hig?<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/nikolaus-valerius\/\">Nikolaus Valerius<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;CEO, RWE Generation SE<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8583\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/innosozial_web_kk_person-platzhalter_1500x1000-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Prof. Dr.-Ing. J\u00f6rg Steinbach\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">10:15&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;10:35<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Impuls<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/prof-dr-joerg-steinbach\/\">Prof. Dr.-Ing. J\u00f6rg Steinbach<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Minister a.D. <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8591\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/innosozial_web_kk_person-platzhalter_1500x1000-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Stefan Kapferer\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">10:35&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;10:55<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Systemstabilit\u00e4t und Kosteneffizienz: Zentrale Herausforderungen der Energiewende<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/stefan-kapferer\/\">Stefan Kapferer<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Vorsitzender der Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrung, 50Hertz Transmission GmbH<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8599\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_icon\"><span class=\"ti-timer\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">11:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;11:30<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Pause \u2013 Networking in der Ausstellung<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8601\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Session_01_500-x-500-150x150.png\" alt=\"Session 1\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">11:30&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;13:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Herausforderungen der Elektromobilit\u00e4t und m\u00f6gliche L\u00f6sungsans\u00e4tze<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/session-1\/\">Session 1<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8601\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">Moderation: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/uta-maria-pfeiffer\/\">Uta Maria Pfeiffer<\/a><br \/>\n<br \/><\/br><\/p>\n<p>Impuls zu aktuellen Herausforderungen der Elektromobilit\u00e4t<br \/>\nund m\u00f6glichen L\u00f6sungsans\u00e4tzen by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/oliver-hoch\/\">Oliver Hoch<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Podiumsdiskussion mit Bundestagsabgeordneten und Vertretern der Wirtschaft<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/swantje-michaelsen-mdb\/\">Swantje Michaelsen, MdB<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-christoph-ploss\/\">Dr. Christoph Plo\u00df, MdB<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/maik-beermann\/\">Maik Beermann<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/frank-huster\/\">Frank Huster<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/christoph-schuler\/\">Christoph Schuler<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8604\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Session_02_500-x-500-150x150.png\" alt=\"Session 2\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">11:30&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;13:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>&#8222;Das Energieversorgungssystems steht auf dem Kopf \u2013 was jetzt f\u00fcr Abhilfe sorgen kann&#8220;<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/session-2\/\">Session 2<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8604\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">Moderation: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-eberhard-von-rottenburg\/\">Dr. Eberhard von Rottenburg<\/a><br \/>\n<br \/><\/br><\/p>\n<p><b>Pitches<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>&#8222;Bessere Nutzung der vorhandenen Netzkapazit\u00e4t&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/rainer-kleedoerfer\/\">Rainer Kleed\u00f6rfer<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8222;Chance auf einen Perspektivwechsel bei Strom und<br \/>\nW\u00e4rme?&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-hans-wolf-von-koeller\/\">Dr. Hans-Wolf von Koeller<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8222;Vom Kopf auf die F\u00fc\u00dfe \u2013 die Sicht der Chemie&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/3176\/\">Andreas Steidle<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8222;Gro\u00dfspeicherbatterien f\u00fcr das \u00dcbertragungsnetz&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-markus-stobrawe\/\">Dr. Markus Stobrawe<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><b>Podiumsdiskussion<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/thomas-bareiss-mdb\/\">Thomas Barei\u00df, MdB<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/rainer-kleedoerfer\/\">Rainer Kleed\u00f6rfer<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-hans-wolf-von-koeller\/\">Dr. Hans-Wolf von Koeller<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/3176\/\">Andreas Steidle<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-markus-stobrawe\/\">Dr. Markus Stobrawe<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8606\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_icon\"><span class=\"ti-timer\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">13:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;14:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Mittagspause \u2013 Networking in der Ausstellung<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8608\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/EXM_Logo-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Plenum 1\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">14:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;15:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>\u201eWettbewerbsf\u00e4hige Strompreise &#8211; Welche Ma\u00dfnahmen sind jetzt erforderlich?\u201c<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/plenum-1\/\">Plenum 1<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8608\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">Moderation: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/ulrike-drachsel\/\">Ulrike Drachsel<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Impuls: Strompreise &#8211; Zahlen, Daten, Fakten by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-philip-schnaars\/\">Dr. Philip Schnaars<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Podiumsdiskussion<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/tetiana-chuvilina\/\">Tetiana Chuvilina<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-philip-schnaars\/\">Dr. Philip Schnaars<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/matthias-belitz\/\">Matthias Belitz<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/markus-hagel\/\">Markus Hagel<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8612\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_icon\"><span class=\"ti-timer\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">15:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;15:30<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Pause \u2013 Networking in der Ausstellung<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8614\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Session_03_500-x-500-150x150.png\" alt=\"Session 3\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">15:30&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;17:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>\u201eAufbau eines Weltmarktes f\u00fcr den Import gr\u00fcner Molek\u00fcle am Beispiel Methanol\u201c<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/session-3\/\">Session 3<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8614\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">Moderation: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/alexander-von-gersdorff\/\">Alexander von Gersdorff<\/a><br \/>\n<br \/><\/br><\/p>\n<p><b>Warum wir eine Molek\u00fclwende brauchen, wie sie gelingen kann und welche Rolle Importe spielen!<\/b> by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/prof-dr-christian-kuechen\/\">Prof. Dr. Christian K\u00fcchen<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Impulse und Expertentalk<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>&#8222;Erneuerbares Methanol \u2013 Gr\u00fcne Basischemikalie und Importvektor f\u00fcr klimaneutralen Wasserstoff und Kohlenstoff&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/michael-bakman\/\">Michael Bakman<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8222;Globale Wasserstoff-Wertsch\u00f6pfungsketten &#8211;<br \/>\nBerechnungsmethodik und Handlungsempfehlungen&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/prof-dr-christopher-hebling\/\">Prof. Dr. Christopher Hebling<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8222;Die Lieferkette f\u00fcr Methanol fit machen: Verlinkung der gr\u00fcnen Methanolproduktion mit den Endabnehmern in Deutschland&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/oleksandr-siromakha\/\">Oleksandr Siromakha<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><b>Podiumsdiskussion<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/claudia-mueller-mdb\/\">Claudia M\u00fcller, MdB<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/prof-dr-christian-kuechen\/\">Prof. Dr. Christian K\u00fcchen<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-carsten-rolle\/\">Dr. Carsten Rolle<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\" https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/falk-boemeke\/\">Dr. Falk B\u00f6meke<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8617\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Session_04_500-x-500-150x150.png\" alt=\"Session 4\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">15:30&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;17:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>\u201eKommunale Energiewende \u2013 Bundesregulierung vs. l\u00e4ndliche Realit\u00e4t\u201c<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/session-4\/\">Session 4<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8617\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">\n<p><b>Moderation:<\/b> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-christoph-loewer\/\">Dr. Christoph L\u00f6wer<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Pitches<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>&#8222;Energieproduktion aus organischen Reststoffen&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/stefan-sziwek\/\">Stefan Sziwek<\/a><\/li>\n<li>&#8222;Energieautarkie am Beispiel Feldheim&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/michael-raschemann\/\">Michael Raschemann<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><b>Podiumsdiskussion<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-friederike-haase\/\">Dr. Friederike Haase<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-kay-ruge\/\">Dr. Kay Ruge<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/michael-raschemann\/\">Michael Raschemann<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/stefan-sziwek\/\">Stefan Sziwek<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8619\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_icon\"><span class=\"ti-timer\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">17:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;17:20<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Pause \u2013 Networking in der Ausstellung<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8621\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/EXM_Logo-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Plenum 2\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">17:20&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;18:40<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Energiepolitische Weichenstellungen in der neuen Legislaturperiode<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/plenum-2\/\">Plenum 2<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8621\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">Moderation: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/ulrike-drachsel\/\">Ulrike Drachsel<\/a><\/p>\n<ol>\n<p>Diskussion mit Branchen- und Parteivertretern<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/hildegard-mueller\/\">Hildegard M\u00fcller<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/christian-seyfert\/\">Christian Seyfert<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/robert-busch\/\">Robert Busch<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/thomas-bareiss-mdb\/\">Thomas Barei\u00df, MdB (angefragt)<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8623\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/DSC_3262-2_Drachsel_final-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Ulrike Drachsel\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">18:40&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;19:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Zusammenfassung des ersten Tages und Ausblick<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/ulrike-drachsel\/\">Ulrike Drachsel<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Forum f\u00fcr Zukunftsenergien e.V.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder topic1 \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8625\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_icon\"><span class=\"ti-timer\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">19:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;21:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Empfang und Networking in der Ausstellung<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul class=\"scheduleday_wrapper themeborder one_half last\">\n<li class=\"scheduleday_title\" style=\"background:;\">\n<div class=\"scheduleday_title_icon\"><span class=\"ti-calendar\" style=\"color:;\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"scheduleday_title_content\">\n<h4 style=\"color:;\">Tag 2 (27. M\u00e4rz 2025)<\/h4>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8651\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/DSC_3262-2_Drachsel_final-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Ulrike Drachsel\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">9:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;9:10<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Begr\u00fc\u00dfung und Tagesmoderation<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/ulrike-drachsel\/\">Ulrike Drachsel<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Forum f\u00fcr Zukunftsenergien e.V.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8641\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/innosozial_web_kk_person-platzhalter_1500x1000-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Kay Scheller\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">9:10&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;9:35<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Bewertung der Umsetzung der Energiewende aus der Sicht des Bundesrechnungshofes<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/kay-scheller\/\">Kay Scheller<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Pr\u00e4sident des Bundesrechnungshofes<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8649\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/innosozial_web_kk_person-platzhalter_1500x1000-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Klaus M\u00fcller\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">9:35&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;10:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Wie weiter bei Versorgungssicherheit und Netzentgelten?<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/klaus-mueller\/\">Klaus M\u00fcller<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Pr\u00e4sident der Bundesnetzagentur<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8653\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/innosozial_web_kk_person-platzhalter_1500x1000-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Prof. Dr. Manfred Fischedick\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">10:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;10:25<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Klimaschutz in Deutschland \u2013 Wo stehen wir, was wollen wir, und was ist noch zu tun?<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/prof-dr-manfred-fischedick\/\">Prof. Dr. Manfred Fischedick<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Pr\u00e4sident und Wissenschaftlicher Gesch\u00e4ftsf\u00fchrer, Wuppertal Institut f\u00fcr Klima, Umwelt, Energie gGmbH<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8655\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_icon\"><span class=\"ti-timer\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">10:25&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;11:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Pause &#8211; Networking in der Ausstellung<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8657\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Session_05_500-x-500-150x150.png\" alt=\"Session 5\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">11:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;12:30<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Energiewende 2.0 &#8211; Digitalisierung und KI als Gamechanger<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/session-5\/\">Session 5<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8657\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">Moderation: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-marian-klobasa\/\">Dr. Marian Klobasa<\/a><br \/>\n<br \/><\/br><\/p>\n<p><b>Podiumsdiskussion<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/nina-stock\/\">Nina Stock<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/christian-kloeppel\/\">Christian Kl\u00f6ppel<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/merlin-lauenburg\/\">Merlin Lauenburg<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/malte-sunderkoetter\/\">Dr. Malte Sunderk\u00f6tter<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-matthias-boelke\/\">Dr. Matthias B\u00f6lke<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8659\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Session_06_500-x-500-150x150.png\" alt=\"Session 6\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">11:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;12:30<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Heizungsgesetz 2025: Erfolg oder neues Debakel?<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/session-6\/\">Session 6<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8659\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">Moderation: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/fanny-fee-werther\/\">Fanny Fee Werther<\/a><br \/>\n<br \/><\/br><\/p>\n<p>Keynote zum regulatorischen Rahmen von Energie- und W\u00e4rmewende by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-andreas-stuecke\/\">Dr. Andreas St\u00fccke<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Podiumsdiskussion<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/jobst-dietrich-diercks\/\">Jobst-Dietrich Diercks<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/helmut-kleebank-mdb\/\">Helmut Kleebank, MdB<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/andreas-jung-mdb\/\">Andreas Jung, MdB (angefragt)<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Keynote zu &#8222;Ein neues Heizungsgesetz 2025. Was sollte sich \u00e4ndern?&#8220; by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/prof-dr-ing-bert-oschatz\/\">Prof. Dr.-Ing. Bert Oschatz<\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Podiumsdiskussion<\/b><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/jobst-dietrich-diercks\/\">Jobst-Dietrich Diercks<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/prof-dr-ing-bert-oschatz\/\">Prof. Dr.-Ing. Bert Oschatz<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/helmut-kleebank-mdb\/\">Helmut Kleebank, MdB<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/andreas-jung-mdb\/\">Andreas Jung, MdB (angefragt)<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8661\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_icon\"><span class=\"ti-timer\"><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">12:30&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;14:00<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Mittagspause &#8211; Networking in der Ausstellung<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8669\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/EXM_Logo-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Plenum 3\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">14:00&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;15:30<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Energiepolitische Weichenstellungen in der neuen Legislaturperiode<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/plenum-3\/\">Plenum 3<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<div id=\"excerpt_8669\" class=\"session_content_extend hide session_content_wrapper\">\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_excerpt\">Moderation: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/ulrike-drachsel\/\">Ulrike Drachsel<\/a>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Diskussion mit Branchen- und Parteivertretern<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-christoph-mueller\/\">Dr. Christoph M\u00fcller<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/gilles-le-van\/\">Gilles Le Van<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/silvio-konrad\/\">Silvio Konrad<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/dr-saskia-ludwig-mdb\/\">Dr. Saskia Ludwig, MdB<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li class=\"themeborder \">\n<div class=\"session_content_wrapper expandable\" data-expandid=\"excerpt_8673\">\n<div class=\"session_speaker_thumb\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/DSC_3262-2_Drachsel_final-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Ulrike Drachsel\"\/><\/div>\n<div class=\"session_content has_speaker_thumb\">\n<div class=\"session_start_time\">15:30&nbsp;&#8211;&nbsp;15:40<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_title\">\n<h6>Schlusswort<\/h6>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"session_speakers\">By&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energiecrossmedial.de\/index.php\/speaker\/ulrike-drachsel\/\">Ulrike Drachsel<\/a><\/strong>&nbsp;Forum f\u00fcr Zukunftsenergien e.V.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><br class=\"clear\"\/><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tag 1 (26. 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